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Asked: Sep 14 '13 at 09:47

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Last updated: Oct 26 '13 at 03:43

I received the following email to our support address and am answering it publicly here since the information may be generally useful.


I was going to edit my profile & clicked edit & then save edit & everything on my profile disappeared. How come? Can it be restored? Thanks,

asked Sep 14 '13 at 09:47

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Simon Templeton ♦♦
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edited Sep 14 '13 at 10:04

Barry explained why part of the link I posted was deleted by your profanity screener. Will this be fixed permanently or something we need to check ourselves each time we post a link with numbers?

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/84275/has-anyone-read-the-spontaneous-healing-of-belief-shattering-the-paradigm-of-false-limits-by-gregg-braden

Thanks you..

(Sep 22 '13 at 13:11) ele
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The phone number filtering has been turned off permanently to prevent a recurrence of this incident. Phone number spamming is relatively rare and we'll deal with it manually for now.

(Sep 22 '13 at 16:09) Simon Templeton ♦♦

Thank you. The reason I asked is because I normally don't click on my own links & I'm surprised I even noticed the hash symbols.. Sounds like a good solution to me. I'll try my best not to set off the alarms again..

(Sep 22 '13 at 23:42) ele

I edited my answer & asked 2 questions. I'm not sure if you receive edits; hence the reason for this comment.

(Sep 27 '13 at 03:53) ele

Firstly, that member's profile has now been restored from a backup made yesterday. The problem was some oriental characters that had been copied and pasted into the profile causing the entire profile to be rejected.

In the past few days, we have linked Inward Quest to a profanity scanning service that automatically "reads" all newly-posted questions, answers, profiles, usernames and strips out any language that could be classified as offensive.

It could well be that the oriental characters in question were offensive in nature or it could be that because we have indicated that Inward Quest is an English-language site only that these characters were deemed suspicious and the entire profile was rejected.

Regarding the profanity scanning generally, there is now a fixed two-second delay on all postings while we carry out checks on what is being posted to the site. Offensive words are being stripped automatically, and so are email addresses and telephone numbers since some spammers are trying to circumvent our automated spam-link filtering for low karma members by posting these instead.

I have previously indicated on Inward Quest that I consider it unacceptable for offensive language to be used on the site. Since we still get individuals who continue to use it regardless, we are now enforcing this language sanitisation through automated means. Individuals who try to circumvent the scanning, perhaps through creating offensive language with creative wordplay, will have their accounts suspended without further notice.

As at this time, the scanning only applies to newly-posted material, not existing posts.


Existing postings containing profanties

It is far too risky to run an automated clean-up on the existing Inward Quest database. Instead (since the profanity scanner also kicks in on edits), we will be issuing manual dummy edits on any old questions/answers/comments that contain profanities which naturally recycle to the top of the active question list.

Over time, this approach will gradually clean up past postings with minimal risk to the Inward Quest database.

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answered Sep 14 '13 at 10:03

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edited Sep 14 '13 at 16:53

@ele, "dudette" what happened to all your karma points?

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answered Sep 15 '13 at 06:38

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lol I like that bro - made me laugh. What happened to my points? Well, I clicked 'award points' & gifted them to a few other members. Prob do it again at Christmas.

(Sep 16 '13 at 00:39) ele

"It could well be that the oriental characters in question were offensive in nature or it could be that because we have indicated that Inward Quest is an English-language site only that these characters were deemed suspicious and the entire profile was rejected."

It was my profile which was deleted. Thank you for restoring it and attempting to keep my identity anonymous.

I feel I need to respond. I did not post any type of profanity in my profile & the oriental characters in question were not offensive. The phrase written in Chinese letters has been in my profile for 5 or 6 weeks.

The Chinese letters spelled out the phrase "Happiness and Joy is". I'm quite positive I didn't make any mistakes when I copied & pasted the phrase to my profile.

I understand why my profile was deleted. I will not be using any foreign characters again which may cause suspicion or set off alarms.

Thank you.


As for your profanity policy - I think anyone with enough Karma points could help out. Members could edit offensive words out of older questions and answers. I know I felt like doing this several times.


ETA

Please correct me if I misunderstood. If someone posts offensive words, the software will automatically delete those words & the member will not be subject to suspension. If a user tries to circumvent the software by use of creative word-play, the user could be suspended.

ETA 3 Questions

I know on other sites with profanity rules, if a member uses a word which the site does not allow more than once, the user can be put on a "Watch List". Am I on such a list?

The reason I ask is -

After I wrote the first 3 letters of the word sexuality 3 times in 2 previous comments, I then made another comment with the first 4 letters of the word pornography. Your software or a monitor had to be watching every word I typed. The 'p' word was hashed out in both the first and second sentences BEFORE I posted my comment. There was NO 2 second delay after posting my comment - it all happened prior. The words were hashed out as I typed. When I wrote the 2 previous comments with the first 3 letter of the word sexual, the software did not hash out the words till after I posted. Please explain the difference between the 2 comments.

I saw Barry's comment to me as I was writing this. Those 2 words have been removed from your watch list. I planned on deleting this & asking my questions via the contact form on IQ - but I had NO luck. I tried 10 times on 2 different browsers. I am positive I entered the 2 words correctly. The contact link worked the other night for me.

1) Am I on a watch list? If so, will you please remove my username from the list?

2) Are my comments being read by the software or by a monitor as I type?

3) What was the difference between the 2 comments I made?

I realize I set off the sensors when I edited my profile & again when I posted an Amazon link which contained numbers which appeared to be a phone number to your software. I see the link with the shortened form of the word pornography did post.

Here's a link to the comments I made

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/84264/what-is-the-effect-of-sexual-fantasies-on-manifestation/84276


ETA

10-12-2013 (to respond to Simon's questions

As for the "NO Hash comment" - it's the 2nd to the last comment I made to Cal which you will find here:

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/84589/would-you-fight-for-a-new-world-order/85218

If you click on recent history in my profile it will show I did NOT edit the first comment I made to Cal because like I said: "there was NO need to" because the hash marks did not appear. I did edit my last comment to Cal twice. He replied and he used a word which was hashed out. Mine was not; it simply disappeared. I'm not one to break rules or use offensive language. I never gave that acronym a second thought until I saw the hash tags & like magic it simply disappeared..

The other comment was made here

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/85296/is-he-setting-us-up

If you look at recent activity in my profile once again, it will corroborate what I said. I made the comment & it shows 2 edits. My first edit, which only appeared momentarily & the 2nd edit to type it again. I could also provide you with a copy of the transcript between the other user & myself complete with time stamps to further substantiate my claims.

I only asked for an explanation -- it's not a big to me at all & I wish I wouldn't of brought it up. You don't have to investigate.

It's because stuff like this happens to me all the time when on IQ - even connecting to IQ has it's issues & according to all dif Incapsula errors I receive; I don't think it's all on my end.

Please read my comments under this answer. I know I changed this user's answer to wiki & I certainly don't have enough Karma points to do this.

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/76299/do-you-feel-spacey/76315

I could go and on giving you one example after another like what happened the last time I was on Meta. I had been logged off for hours. When I came back & I was viewing questions, I also clicked on my profile where it stated I was seen min's earlier & I thought "What? I'm not logged on." I wasn't; but yet your software was detecting my presence each time I viewed a question plus it was voting each view up which it doesn't do on Chrome. I was on FF. You can check your log -- I was logged off.

With the exception of the issue I emailed you about I really don't care about any of these issues.

As for PC correct - I would like to explain

Fair enough. You and I live in 2 different worlds. In my world they teach children in the public school system the importance of being politically correct as not to offend any ethnicity or race, e.g. Native Americans. As for profanity, that's a rule. When a member uses "God's name in vain" regardless of intent, it's pretty hard to delete God. I mean no disrespect; but I think more ppl in the world are offended by that, then cuss words.

Question

Last year I tried unsuccessfully to comment on a closed thread. I saw both Wade & bluebird do this. Is it just my computer/browser or do you need a certain amount of Karma to do this? Is it against any rules to do so? The reason I ask is because I would like to make comment to explain the comment I made prior to a question being closed.

Thank you.


ETA 10-16-2013


I left you a comment under this question

http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/85437/my-friends-all-you-need-to-know-is-this

which I will copy & then delete on IQ

@Simon Templeton ... this is another one of those odd occurrences. I just made a comment & when I clicked on the main page, it shows Grace made the last comment 8 hrs ago. The next question listed on the main page shows me making the last comment on a dif question an hr ago. I snapped a screen shot - no big deal. Guess, I'm wondering if I am the cause of these disturbances? At least I have proof of what I'm seeing this time. I'm on chrome. (7 mins ago)ele add new comment

Here is a screen shot

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Otherwise everything worked great except when I got hashed for a word which I didn't think was offensive in the least. 4 letter word -starting with c, ending with p, plus an r and an a.

Thanks.

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answered Sep 15 '13 at 02:08

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edited Oct 17 '13 at 00:37

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Inward Quest is an information exchange. The moderators are always tolerant of anyone that is sincerely participating in the exchange but may drift into bad language, perhaps because of their emotional state due to stressful life circumstances they may currently be involved in. The profanity scanning should take care of this.

Whenever we notice that anyone has a deliberate intent of disrupting the information exchange for others - whether through deliberate use of offensive language, or aggressive intimidation, or abuse of the site system - the moderators look to remove those people.

(Sep 15 '13 at 08:50) Simon Templeton ♦♦
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Hey @Simon Templeton What about a list of "offensive language" (oxymoron??) words so we can watch our "p's & "q's"

(Sep 16 '13 at 02:27) ursixx

@ursixx Providing such a list would be helpful to those who are trying to circumvent it. I don't know of anyone who isn't aware when they are using language that others might consider offensive even if they use it themselves regularly. In any case, the IQ system allows editing of existing posts (and comments within one hour) so any words that are stripped out by the scanner can be replaced with more neutral ones

(Sep 16 '13 at 06:09) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@ursixx You don't have to worry about a list -- just keep stalking me.

(Sep 27 '13 at 04:05) ele

@ele There is no "watch list". The scan also happens when an input box loses focus. You may be operating a browser plugin that is causing a loss of input focus. Without knowing the details of what browser you are using and what plugins you are using, I cannot comment further

(Sep 27 '13 at 07:23) Simon Templeton ♦♦

I was on Chrome & it's the only browser that is bare bones. No apps, no extensions & as for plugins - normal ones (adobe flash, reader & shockwave, Java & Silverlight & audio/media plugins plus the ones which come with a Chrome install, tho I do have a couple of those disabled. All plugins are up to date. My security software is NOT an issue & my settings are correct. I also have no understanding of input boxes losing focus - perhaps that is the reason why. Thank you.

(Oct 07 '13 at 17:39) ele

I know from IT personnel on another forum that there is a way to change their settings when a member causes issues more than once & that member will have their posts scrutinized at a higher level. Thrilled to hear there is no watch list & even happier to know I'm not on it if there was such one. Thanks @Simon

(Oct 07 '13 at 17:51) ele

Is your software now NOT showing hash tags & instead just deleting the word? I made the mistake of using an acronym for laughing my _ off & it was hashed right before I posted it. I noticed the hash marks in the nano second prior to clicking post & didn't have time to stop it. I planned on editing my comment to remove the hash marks & sub another acceptable acronym - but - there was no reason to do so because there were no hash marks.

(Oct 11 '13 at 02:28) ele

... and speaking of offensive words. Why does your software allow the shortened version of the word Jewish? I know many people who find the shortened version offensive regardless of intention.

(Oct 11 '13 at 02:36) ele

I know this is no big deal, but stuff like this happens to me all the time. Could you please explain this @Simon & if the error is on my end could you tell me how to fix it? Earlier this evening I was chatting with another member of IQ outside this forum. I had IQ open on Chrome. I made a comment & immediately edited it to add more info. The other user was also viewing IQ at the time. The other member laughed at my comment and then said nice save with your edit. I clicked back on that page & my edit was not there. I said this to the other member. (1)

(Oct 11 '13 at 02:44) ele

(2) The other member refreshed their browser & agreed - said "you're right, it's not there". At first I thought this was my error. I thought I must have accidentally hit cancel. Obviously that could not be the case, otherwise they would never have been able to see the edit. I then edited the comment again & it stuck. We both saw the edited answer post. We both saw the edit disappear to appear as it did prior to the edit.

(Oct 11 '13 at 02:45) ele

@ele Please let me know how you are certain your security software is not an issue. Regarding the comment problem you are referring to, please provide the link to the question/answer that the comment is attached to and exactly which comment is the one that has caused the trouble. Though normal Inward Quest members cannot see comment revisions, we are able to and will look into it.

An input box losing focus is when, for example, you are entering some text and then click to another window on your computer or another text box on the same web page. A profanity scan will then automatically run.

(Oct 11 '13 at 12:10) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@ele Regarding the word Jew ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_(word) ) we have no intention of enforcing political correctness on Inward Quest. We are simply removing words that are clearly considered offensive by most and are often used in an aggressive manner. If you believe the word Jew is deliberately being used offensively, report it when it happens and a moderator will look at it.

(Oct 11 '13 at 12:15) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@ele All your editing of your existing answers to add new questions/information is very difficult to follow, for me and others. If you have questions, ask them as new questions.

(Oct 18 '13 at 04:38) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@ele As for your ongoing issues with the profanity scanning, the list was not compiled by us. We can whitelist or blacklist additional words. Regarding your issue with the word foreskin and related words, while they are probably okay to whitelist, I'm not going to do so because doing so would open the door to more and more lobbying and complaints about what words should or should not be allowed. I am going to stick with the existing default list unless there is a clear and obvious impediment to the asking and answering of spiritually-related questions.

(Oct 18 '13 at 04:42) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@ele The screenshot above is just a temporary glitch that occurs occasionally (and fairly rarely). We don't know why because we didn't write the software and don't know the internals well enough. It clears itself fairly quickly.

(Oct 18 '13 at 04:45) Simon Templeton ♦♦

@Simon As for "ongoing issues with the profanity scanning" ~ hopefully this is a thing of the past. Luckily, I'm one of the fortunate few who gets to see a hashed word prior to posting & fix it before it posts. Thank you for all time ~ very much appreciated.

(Oct 23 '13 at 02:01) ele

@Simon I'm NOT doing any of this intentionally. I thought it was a thing of the past. I had NO idea there was actual name for that. I give up.

(Oct 26 '13 at 03:29) ele

It's down right embarrassing - I'm NOT subscribed to urban dictionary.

(Oct 26 '13 at 03:43) ele
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